Friday, July 22, 2016

Not Much to Say

The restricting didn't work this week.

I stuck with my eating plan the first 2 days. I tracked those days and stayed under 1000 calories and 100 g carbs. I wore the Fitbit and walked about 6,000 steps/day. I biked 25 minutes/day.

Then I got on the scale and was up another half pound. June 20 was my "Day 1" eating on my plan. July 19 was day 1 giving up. I stopped wearing the FitBit and biking. I ate whatever I wanted to for meals and snacks. I ate normal portions: a couple of pancakes, a sandwich and chips, some chocolate. No cake or cookies. But I feel like I have gained ten pounds in less than a week. My pants are tight again. I mean I actually have to pull to button them. How that can happen in a few days, I don't know. I feel exceptionally huge.

Restrict and exercise for a month and lose basically nothing.
Eat what I want without bingeing for four days and gain quickly.

That's how it always is. None of this dieting business makes sense anymore. I wish I had just hung on and kept it off when I had it off, because losing it again is a whole different ballgame.

Screw it. I have a life to live, fat or not. I'll let the doctor sort it out when I go for my appointment this week. I'm asking about WLS.


Anonymous said...

With weight loss surgery you will have even more restrictions and you will gain everything you lose and more if you don't keep up the restrictions. You must get used to that or there will be no benefits to the surgery--just risks.

Diana said...

Hi Lyn! I know what you mean, totally. It all seems so unfair. I am losing as long as I stick to a plan, but it's about a zillion time harder these days.

Regarding WLS, if I hadn't gone through my bout of cancer three years ago I would definitely seriously consider WLS. But I don't think it's the right thing for me to do now since I don't want to subject my body to any unnecessary trauma. Also I'm almost 61 so at my age elective surgery probably isn't a wise choice.

However, if I could, I would definitely get the sleeve. My sister-in-law had the sleeve surgery over a year ago (well, ex sister-in-law, but we're still very close so we just dropped the in-law part and call ourselves sisters). She's lost 140 pounds (she was 280 to start). She looks and feels amazing. She's 47. She had to lose weight prior to the surgery to prove she could change her eating habits. The doctor sent her to a nutritionist and they set up a food plan for her. She lost 20 pounds in six months pre-surgery.

The surgery was very non-invasive, laparsocpiclly done as as an outpatient. She did have a tough 3 or 4 months at the beginning, where she could barely keep tiny bites of food or sips of water down. She was very nauseated all the time. But it passed and she says she'd do it all again. She also has two sisters that had it done, with the same result and two friends. Everyone was a success.

I also have two co-workers had the gastric bypass, which was much more invasive. One of them did it because he was diabetic. After gastric bypass surgery, most diabetics wake up with no sign of the diabetes. It disappears. However, the side effects of this surgery are a lot more drastic, but again, the results are amazing. My co-worker, a guy, 39 years old, lost 150 pounds really fast, in less than a year. But he's constantly going for doctor visits so I don't know about the gastric bypass. I would do it as a last choice, but sounds like it's more traumatic to the body.

So even though you may get some hater comments on this subject of WLS (I hope not but you know how some people just like to be mean), I think it's the way to go for someone like us (like I said, I would if I could). I'm pretty sure it will change your life for the better. I've witnessed it in other people and it works.

Good luck and keep us posted. I suspect you're a prime candidate for WLS, whichever one your doctor thinks is best for you. Take care my friend. I wish you the best, as always. ~Diana

Anonymous said...

American style pancakes are high in calories, and so are chocolate and chips. Not the best choices for weight loss. And 2 days of lower calorie eating with a total of 50 minutes of exercise isn't enough to see results. You need to do it for months, consistently, to see changes. There is nothing magical about weight loss, but the more sedentary you are, the harder it is. Maybe you should spend some time exploring those gorgeous trails in Washington state, hiking and connecting with nature. Discover how good it feels to use your body and be active. I think the problem is your mindset more than anything else. You view exercise as punishment and food as reward. Weight loss surgery will not fix that mindset.

Anonymous said...

Lyn, this is so predictable. Your wonderful adaptable body is trying to protect you from starvation. After two extended periods of what your body interprets as famine, it is very quick to adapt to another low calorie phase by conserving as much as possible. Then when a few days of ample intake come along, it is quick to respond by storing as much as possible for the next anticipated " famine." The only way out of this yoyo-ing is a LONG period of steady, maintenance- level eating, until your body stops anticipating a periodic return to famine. You can do this, but you have to realize that whatever lifestyle changes you make have to be permanent. Otherwise, the losses will always be followed by quicker and quicker regains.

I hope you will think long and hard before resorting to WLS. Once you mutilate your body, you will never again be able to eat like a normal person.

Anonymous said...

I did this a few months ago. After trying for two years and losing 76 lbs I came to a stop. Dead in the water as they say. I was pissed and still pissed. I eat good some days and some not so much.
I've gained last I looked 25lbs and I don't care anymore. Scratch that. I care. I don't want to be where I was, but I don't want to stop living life or afraid of where I'm going anymore for fear of what food is there.
People telling me I look great.. and I'm so pretty.
Guess what?
I think I'm ok this way... I"m not a monster.
I read a blog recently and the blogger always refers to their old self as the 500 lb person. I hate that. This person is a person now and was a person then. Not just 500lbs. We all have such loathing of ourselves.
It has to stop somewhere.
My beautiful sister had gastric bypass surgery ... and almost died.. not once, but twice. And yes, she lost 101 lbs in about 3 to 4 months. She's gained some back. We don't speak of it though.
She was beautiful then and she's beautiful now. And she will not even let me look into the surgery with the hell she went through... she said to me... "just be happy with who you are'
And I intend to.

and you can too...

Gina said...

Maybe worth all of the exercise you are building muscle? It weighs more per volume. When I was working out about four years ago I didn't lose for a couple months my tummy even seemed to pooch out more!!! D*** it! My timing is so jelly it just sat on to of the muscle I was developing. After about two months I started to see the results. The fat and weight did decrease. Why did I stop? Depression, lazy, I don't know. Oh, and an awful season of allergies where I thought I had ms, I was so wiped out. I know you are discouraged. All I can say is I'm with you.

Lyn said...


thank you for sharing those experiences. I am definitely interested to see what my doctor has to say about it.

Anons & Gina~

your words help me and it's good to know I am not alone, and I consider every suggestion or angle anyone leaves me here. I appreciate the support.

Anonymous said...

If you just eat what you want now and stop exercising the gain will continue. I urge you to not give up and wait for the doctor to "sort it out."

Lyn said...

last Anon~

yeah, I basically give up about the scale... trying to force it to go down by restricting and exercising. I am not just giving up on my health though. I am still walking and trying to eat low carb. I just don't expect anything out of the scale anymore... it just makes me frustrated and then I eat stuff I shouldn't. Pointless. Will get back on the bike, too. May as well.

JDET said...

Lyn, I am sorry to hear that you are thinking about surgery. At 238, you don't sound heavy enough to justify it, unless you are really short. Doing it laparoscopically seems safe enough, but the first few weeks of recovery sound awful, and then the lifetime eating restrictions seem onerous. That said, if you think that's what is best for you, go for it. Just be sure you find a good surgeon with plenty of bariatric surgery experience!

Anonymous said...

Lyn, there are some old threads on ObesityHelp about being on the "bubble" of BMI. 38ish BMI is a really common area to get denied . Just want you to be prepared in case it comes up, so you aren't caught off guard.

Anonymous said...

I hope this isn't too long, but I wanted to share my experience with gastric sleeve.
I have been trying to lose over 100 pounds for over 30 years. I would get 50-60 pounds off through various methods, then just couldn't do it anymore and put most of it back on. At age 63 last year, I decided after years of researching to get the gastric sleeve. I had been researching by buying books written by people who had the procedure done and were happy with the results, as well as reading almost daily, where it seems that 90% of the posters are very happy they had it done. They have lost all their weight; they are never hungry (some people forget to eat) and their taste buds seem to have changed as they no longer crave the foods that got them fat.

I am generally someone who avoids surgery unless absolutely necessary; but I thought that since I weighed 311 pounds at age 63 that my already bad knees were going to give out completely unless I did something drastic. I had total faith that this was my answer and I would finally be a normal weight (or at least close to it). I had no problems with the surgery itself and went through the months of introducing foods slowly without too much problem. I lost about 48 pounds in 4 months. Then when I could eat "normally" again, the weight started coming back on, even though I still needed to lose much more. I have now put half the weight back on despite eating far less than I used to.

A big part of the problem for me is that the 3 things I counted on - getting full really fast, having my tastes change and not being hungry - have not happened for me. I can easily eat a cup or two of food at a time (I hear that many people can only eat 1/2-1 cup of food for years), I still crave sweets and processed carbs (my downfall) and I am still hungry all the time. My digestion is also a mess - I can't tolerate dairy at all anymore and I suspect gluten is now a problem as well. I have to take digestive enzymes pretty much every time I eat anything, plus a probiotic, yet I still have almost daily bouts of diarrhea and stomach cramps to the point where sometimes I have to cancel plans because I'm afraid to leave the house. I fervently wish I hadn't done the surgery - I took money out of retirement for this, and it has done nothing but made my life more difficult.

I think a big part of the problem for me is that I am a "grazer." If a person eats a little bit many times a day, as I have always done, it is very easy to "eat around the surgery." People who eat large meals have more success, because they can't eat as much at a time as before. I had never done that in the first place. I was counting on the taste bud changes and not being hungry to do the work for me. I was told repeatedly at the classes I took that the surgery is "just a tool." Unfortunately it is a much better tool for some people than for others.

There are no many restrictions in terms of types of food (supposed to be no sweets, ever; no caffeine, ever; no fatty meats, no breads, VERY low fat, etc.) that in my opinion, the success of the surgery is basically from all the restrictions, not the surgery itself. If anyone ate like that, they would lose weight. Also, I don't know if you are aware that you are not supposed to drink liquids with your meals, as well as 30 minutes before and 1 hour after - very hard to do. The only pain killer you can take is Tylenol - no NSAIDS because it is too hard on your stomach - so I am in even more pain now othan I was before.

Anonymous said...

I knew my post would be too long. To finish up, just KNOW YOURSELF. You have to be willing to give up certain foods and ways of eating FOR LIFE. I am obviously unwilling to do it, since I am not losing weight. Also, being a grazer, it is very easy for me to munch throughout the day, just as I used to. I wish I had figured this out before I had wasted so much money and energy and ruining my digestive system.


Anonymous said...

Oh, one more thing. There is a doctor in Michigan, Dr. Matthew Weiner, who has some excellent videos about bariatric surgery on his website, He has both nonsurgical and surgical plans. I have learned more from him than from all the classes I took locally (now if I would just do what he says). I am a horrible emotional/stress eater, and that is another reason the surgery wasn't a good fit for me. Most doctors require their patients to pass a psychological screening, and I wasn't required to have one - I think if I had been evaluated, I might have been turned down.


MargieAnne said...

Hi Lyn..... I am struggling with weight gain and trying to decide whether I want to eat whatever I like or eat only healthy foods. After all I am 77 but I do realise that my health is even more important than my weight now and that makes me think differently perhaps.

I hear stories of people who become metabolically broken on very low calorie diets. I know this doesn't sound like a medical term but I think you should explore more along those lines and learn more about keeping your hormones healthy. I know that people who have WLS often do well without serious problems into the future but I do see it as a last resort.

You've come a long way in life and so many things have changed since you began blogging. Your frustration toward your weight loss is understandable but you can do this naturally. Personally I think you are in danger of limiting your calories too much. Did you know that you can mess up your thyroid by continuous dieting on very low carb. How about looking again at what you eat and trying a couple of weeks with not eating one thing that is processed in any way unless you are the one preparing and cooking. I'd love to hear that you are eating red meat such as lightly marbled beef steak. I'd love to hear you are eating butter on green beans or spinach. I'd love to read that you've chosen to eat a handful of almonds or walnuts. You do so well getting rid of the cravings but then break the pattern you are trying to establish. I think people get hungry because there's not enough good, natural fat in the food they eat.

Just remember that as I write this I am far from eating well and have been eating bread, (wheat is a real no-no for me which has been deliberately ignored lately), and I've been allowing more and more sugar in my food. This is catching up with me and as we both know the result is not all that good.

I hesitate to advise you, although that's exactly what I've done. I just wish I could be more helpful because I know how painful this is for me and it seems for you too.

Blessings :)

Anonymous said...

Have you tried the Whole30? I found it to be life changing !

JM said...

Ultimately it's our responsibility to decide what will work for us but as you are caught in this loop which I know! It really is suffering. For me, the thing that turned it around was admitting that I did not have the answe and getting outside help. I have done OA and therapy and I am at peace most dats finally. But it is an ongoing effort and I work at it all the time. Good luck to you. Surgery is not a solution it's only a tool in this battle.

Anonymous said...

I typed this long thing that didn't work, so if you get two similar responses please erase one.

In April, weighing over 200 and being caught in a disordered eating cycle that scared me because of how little control I had, I started doing hiit workouts and dieting. In two months I lost 30 lbs. I am almost 48 and I had not been able to lose for years prior.

I do hiit videos on YouTube made by a guy named Adrian Bryant, from the website now He has a ton of hiit workouts for all levels ( even some sitting down) and I do a 40 minute one three times a week. It. Is for stationary bikes but I sprint on the treadmill.

These are extremely hard and I dread them, but I force myself to do them three times a week first thing in the morning in a fasted state. They have changed my metabolism. I know this because after two months on a diet I slipped back into my bad eating ways, but I kept up the hiit workouts. I stopped losing weight, but I have maintained that 30 lb weightloss while eating as much as I want of whatever I want.

Whenever I am ready to eat right and lose the rest of my weight, I can start from right where I left off and not from a 30 or more lb gain. I hope to do hiit workouts for the rest of my life. Good luck.

Lyn said...

oh Lori :( That sounds just awful. I am so sorry the surgery did nothing for you. I really didn't know it could turn out to be such a failure. I think you're right, that there are ways to "eat around" the surgery, and if one is a food addict or eats for emotional reason this could be a huge problem. I likely fit that category. I am going to take your words to heart and ask my doctor what she thinks about all of this and if she has any alternatives before doing something so drastic.

Lyn said...

p.s. Lori, thanks for the site, that looks interesting and I will check it out.


thank you, your advice is always welcome here and I respect your experience and wisdom. I agree... the less processed foods the better. If only I could grab on and just stop giving in AT ALL to junk. I am still trying.


I did AIP, which is very similar to Whole 30 but also eliminates nightshades. I thought it was great, but hard to stick with for a lifetime due to how restrictive it is. I have thought about doing it again.

Lyn said...


caught in a loop is a very accurate description. The loop is cut out junk and eat well and exercise, get frustrated, eat what I want, get frustrated, cut out junk and eat well and exercise... and so on forever. Unfortunately this loop results in weight gain. I am glad you have peace... I hope to get to that point as well. I was there before in this journey but let it slip.


wow! that is really interesting! I will look into that and look up the videos you mention. I could definitely move my biking earlier and change the intensity.

Anonymous said...

I can't imagine what people around the globe, people who live in famine and would go to great lengths for a spoonful of rice, think about when they hear Americans cut out their stomach so they don't eat so much


Anonymous said...


What concerns me is that the intake you've been aiming for (<1000 calories and low-carb) already sounds much like how you'd eat after WLS. If it's not working now, I don't know that it'd work after you get surgery. If you got gastric bypass, maybe, since they remove some of your intestine and and therefore decrease your basic nutrient absorption capacity, but you have very little margin to safely cut calories further at this point.

Make sure your doctor knows for how long and at what calorie level you've been dieting. I can't imagine that the solution to such extreme restriction for so long is even more extreme restriction.

I hope you find a safe, sustainable solution.

Some Girl said...

I think that your problems boil down to two things: You're a sugar addict/over eater and you haven't addressed this properly. You can't do it with food alone, especially since you don't know how to eat for your body. Have you ever been to an overeaters anonymous meeting? I think you would find a lot of like-minded people there and people who could be an inspiration to you, and - most importantly perhaps - find a sponsor you could call when you're about to fall off the wagon. You really, really need to change how you view food. I think you eat emotionally, to reward yourself, and to punish yourself. That can change if you accept that you have a problem and you need help. You have a pattern with binging/depriving and you can't change it on your own. You need an outside view and some guidance. There is help. Your second problem, I think, is that you're attempting to restrict to the point where not one human being could cope being for a long period of time. Your body needs proper energy or you will start to feel hungry and deprived and dive head first into the first bag of chips or whatever that you see. You attempt to eat low carb... what do you replace the carbohydrate energy with to feel full? Have you ever considered eating low carb, high fat? LCHF can be really, really helpful with overcoming the physical desires for food because it's very satiating. BUT it won't help with the mental parts of it, which I stress again that you need guidance to work through. Make a list of trigger foods. What can't you eat without triggering a desire to eat more? For me it's things that remind me of tacos, things I eat with my hands (nuts and snacky foods like that) and "pretend sweets" (like protein bars and the like). Be aware of it. Be accountable and honest. When you feel like you're losing control, contact overeaters anonymous and let them help you through it.

Lyn said...

Some Girl~

wow, we are on the same wavelength! I just posted on this very topic. I have gone to OA in another state, long time ago, and hated it but that could have just been the dynamics of that group. I have done OA Online meetings and that has been useful. I might look into a local chapter and see what it's like here.

I have been thinking about what my trigger foods are. I like your idea and will start a list... but I think I also need to have some foods I enjoy eating that don't trigger me. Thank you for the input.

Anonymous said...

Lyn, have you ever considered that you may have an anxiety disorder or OCD? The way you've described getting food stuck in your head and "needing" to have it sounds so similar to those conditions. You've used the terms "obsession" and "compulsion" yourself, as I recall. I don't think it's impossible for those disorders to manifest that way. They're very closely related to anorexia and the like as well.

Lyn said...


yes, I have. I've written about that here as well and worked with a counselor on these things for some time. They did not feel that my obsessive/looping food thoughts and compulsive overeating were actually OCD, but similar in nature. I know how to get out of the loop... I just have to do it. When I eat clean/low carb, all of the obsessive thoughts about food go away as well.

doxie said...

You've got this Lyn! I believe in you.

Meryl said...

Lyn, I am with Lori, and agree with most of what she said.

I had gastric bypass and although I've worked hard to keep off a good amount of what I initially lost, it's a constant battle now. "The Biggest Loser" syndrome is real. Very real. That recent study showing the ENORMOUS and LASTING impact of how massive calorie restriction wreaks further havoc on our already compromised (from decades of yo-yo dieting) metabolisms. Now I have to cope with all of the downsides of having a permanently altered digestive system, without any of the benefits. Knowing what I do now, I would have never done the surgery. I will say, I am maintaining a roughly 70 lb. weight loss, almost 7 years out. But it is a battle. My food addiction never went away. My ability to overeat at one sitting certainly did, but grazing is a way around that- and also the reason *many* WLS folks gain back all the weight...and then some.

I am busting my butt right now to keep off these 70 lbs. I need to lose more to feel good again, trust me- but just maintaining is a huge struggle at this point. And on top of it, I have to deal with all of the deficiencies, mandatory supplementation etc.

I am sharing this because I truly think WLS should be a life-saving, last resort treatment for morbid obesity. I had no co-morbidities when I had it and may have ended up in better shape metabolically if I never did it. It's a CRAZY, constant fight now, worse than ever...just to KEEP those 70 lbs off. And for reference, I initially lost 130 so gained back half.

I am still working on the "answer" for myself but felt compelled to share my experience with you. I am rooting you on as I have for many years...

Meryl said...

I also wanted to add that I DID have a psych exam. I am pretty sure everyone passes and it's just a formality. My pre WLS psych exam did NOT address my food addiction issues in any way.

Lyn said...


I see your points on it being a last resort. The possibilities are kind of frightening. Thank you for sharing your experience... makes me think again.

I am seeing my Dr next week and will talk about what she thinks my best options are.

Sue said...

I have to share my story so that you can consider it also. I agree 100% with Lori and Meryl....think long and hard before having WLS. I had it in 2012, GBS. Initially, I lost about 115 lbs within 5 months, but then hit a brick wall, and could lose no more, even though I started out at 400 lbs and was only down to 285. I have since put back 55 lbs, and am at 340. I hate it...that I went through all that only to end up weighing in the 300's. I will say that without the WLS, I would probably be 500 lbs by now, so I would not say that I wish I had not done it. I think the shortened digestion has helped me to keep more off than I realize. My top weight was initially 426 before the required protein shake routine before surgery. I have followed your blog for a long time, and my concerns for you are this: You are an emotional eater. I am as well. WLS is more of a success for someone who just likes to eat a lot. Certainly I cannot eat as much as I did before, but I find myself eating more frequently than I should....grazing as Meryl or Lori said. In addition, though I have not had this problem, many people feel very sick after cousin had it done, and though he has been more successful in losing more weight, said he feels nauseated after every meal. I am so glad I don't have that problem! Honestly, sometimes it is very embarrassing to see someone who knows that I had the WLS and they can see that I really didn't lose that much, and have not kept it all off. Especially at family events, when my cousin has so obviously lost more. Strangely though, I tend to eat less than he does, and better than he does (nutrition-wise) so that is kind of weird. I do not feel sick after eating, unless I try to eat too much, or high fat/pasta type foods. Anyway, I truly feel that you should think long and hard about the surgery before you decide one way or another. Those of us who are emotional eaters will always have a harder time with losing weight, no matter what we do. I agree with the person who said that you pretty much have to eat perfectly after the WLS to be able to lose or maintain, and if you can't do that before the surgery, you may not be able to after the surgery. There is some big truth to that! The one thing WLS WILL do is keep you from bingeing and/or over-eating AT ONE SITTING. But it sounds like you have a handle on that right now anyway. I wish you the best Lyn, and I hope that you are able to lose again. And for what it is worth....I think the real low calorie approach is not good - really messes with the metabolism at our age!! :) ~Sue

Gina said...

Lyn, another thought on surgery. I know four people who have had this. A married couple who were successful and wound up getting the body surgery to eliminate the leftover skin. They supported each other through the process. I know two best friends who also had surgury. They both lost weight initially but snacked themselves into comfort. They do not weigh close to 400 still years later but are maintaining around 225. I would look at a one year commitment to eat healthy and do moderate exercise daily and reevaluate. Weekly ups and downs are too variable. It took us years to get fat. Weeks and months aren't a good rubric for progress. Our bodies love to hang on to the weight. An eternal plateau. But with long consistent work, think we can effect change. The

Anonymous said...

I like pancakes too, have you tried "protein pancakes"? I ran into these and was amazed at how many brands there are. I bought some called Meta Rx buttermilk flavor on Amazon. I can mix 1 1/2 scoops, which is 150 cal., with 1/2 cup blueberries and get 3 pancakes. I cook them in coconut oil. They're sweet already so I just put light butter (land o lakes) on them. They are relatively low carb and filling.

I was really enjoying these and making them all the time until I weighed the coconut oil. I was using 3x what I thought I was using. So I cut it back and they're still pretty good. Maybe they could be a substitute for the real thing for you.

I did go through the first two cans pretty fast but now I have it under control. Which reminds me, Dr. Atkins said in one of his books, DANDR I think, that if there is something you are craving to eat that and nothing else until you're tired of it. I ate pancakes for 3 meals a day for a few weeks, and it did work.

PamL said...

I love what MargieAnne said above- eat real food....and increase the amount of fat you are eating. Fat has been vilified for the last 30 years, and now we know-- fat does not make us FAT! Simple carbohydrates (processed foods and sugar) do! I really recommend Dietician Cassie and her PFC plan of eating. It entails eating protein, fat, and carbohydrates (fruit/veges) at every meal and snack. Of course, you have to control your calories because these things do contain calories, but you will feel much more satisfied and satiated for longer! I really think you could eat 1700-1800 calories of these types of foods and lose weight-although that certainly depends on your body. I can eat roughly 1600 calories, with minimal exercise, and lose 3 lbs. in one week. I have about 15 pounds to lose, and this works for me! Her website is I used to be able to find menu ideas, and some print outs of what some good food are, but right now I'm not seeing them. I'm sure you can find them if you look around her site.

Anyway, good luck, and I hope you get some answers and find something that works for you!

PamL said...

I just found it- if you clink on a blog title on the Dietician Cassie website, on the right hand side are all kinds of links with her story and ideas.

Lyn said...

Sue and Gina~

thank you for sharing those experiences. I am so torn right now. Part of me thinks I am at the last resort stage and should jump in and do this and maybe it will help me get this weight off. Part of me is afraid, and thinks I am not really having enough issues to do it. I am pretty healthy and I can do most of what I want to do. Heck even if I dropped 30 pounds I would probably be able to do EVERYTHING I want to do. I don't know... I am going to see what the Dr thinks next week and see if there are any other options, or if she thinks I should just keep working at the eating/exercise thing or what.


I have not tried those! I have only tried the Medifast and Wonderslim protein pancakes which are okay but expensive. That brand looks a lot cheaper and is probably just as good. Half a serving of that has almost the same nutritional stats as the Medifast ones. Thank you!


I tend to agree with you. I felt pretty good eating higher fat, lower carb until it got to a certain level of fat and then I felt sluggish and sick a lot. My doctor looked it over and told me to keep my fat around 30% max. I will have to go back in my archives to see what level made me feel unwell. I think eating the good fats is pretty important. Thanks for the site link, I will check it out.

Sam J. said...

Oh heart goes out to you. I so wish I had a solution for you.

Anonymous said...

Get WLS and get off the roller coaster forever! It's a life changer/life saver!! Good luck!